I'm right handed, but have always moved my mag releases on Sig's and Beretta's to the right side so I can drop the mag with my finger off the trigger as well as not having to reposition my hand to reach with my thumb. The Glock 48 is the upstart here as a newer edition. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. I prefer to practice as I play. Drum roll please, it is, (Are you ready for this?) If you can shoot both of them equally well under stress, then carry the 45. Once upon a time, I was at the range, refreshing my CCW skills, I got some unsolicited advice about how my little Ruger LCR loaded with .38 Spl +P Gold Dot was all but going to bouce off the crack head I might use it against. High round count practice is exactly how you learn to shoot fast. Carrying 10 rounds of 9mm is suicidal? As I must shoot one handed they, for me, are the perfect carry piece. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The state handles non residents. I use the G19 17 rounders, primarily because they are a little bit longer and stick out the bottom, but this is extremely useful because i can grip the magazine better when reloading. It is compact, easily controlled at rapid fire, fits easily into my hand, and I have confidence in my skills, so that I know I will stop any attack that comes my way. Glock 36: Thin and Lightweight Following the commercial success of the G30, Glock introduced the G36 in 2000. Now try out the next logical step, the Glock 29sf, 10mm power with the exact same size, capacity and just .7 ounces heavier. It just wasnt ever designed to kill, but to wound. Psa 5.7 Rock Pistol Optics Ready W/ Threaded Psa Dagger Compact 9Mm Pistol With Extreme Carry Rock Island 1911 Tactical 9Mm 5" 8Rd Pistol. Will all your guns to me. Well, I live in Texas, so what could I do? The older .45LC Single Action Army pistols that had been decommissioned were tried and were found to provide the 1 shot stop that the military was looking for at that time. The M-16 was / is a better than fairly decent rifle, but was never designed to be shot dirty. I know all this, because I have one and carried it for several years. If I could only keep one it would be the 30. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. But at least our taxes are nice and high am I right? 2.5 lb trigger and a good grip and things can really speed up. The 9mm is such a terrible round, that even military and police special operations forces use 9mms as side arms (and 45s in addition) and sub machine guns. It took buying my own new albeit nothing fancy 1911 to finally get past my negative bias. And . How do these two handguns stack up against eachother? I found it took appreciably longer to get the 30 back on target & that the recoil was much sharper than that from a 1911 or the Glock 19. It is considered one of the best semi-automatic pistols today, due to its robustness, reliability and ease of use. His reply was the first two were the important rounds. Supposedly the .45 was created for a reason (Philippines), but from what I understand it wasnt to gain performance from the 9mm, but rather a .38 caliber round. In my defense (so to speak), I havent been to the range in well over a week. When I got my 30S I posted a side by side size comparison (dunno if it was in this forum or another) with the 30s with the 9rd mag and the 10rd mag compared to my G26 and G19. 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Note: all Glock handguns chambered in .45 ACP feature octagonal polygonal rifling in order to obtain a better gas seal with a larger bore. Model: GLOCK 30S Caliber: .45 Auto Magazine capacity: 10 (stock), 9 and 13 available Materials: Stainless steel slide and barrel, polymer frame Weight empty: 22.95 ounces Barrel Length: 3.77 Overall length: 6.96 Sights: Plastic, Dot in a U Action: Striker Fired Finish: Black Price: $545-600 ( $550 via Brownells) RATINGS (out of five stars): I ran a MA-compliant mag through both Glocks at five yards as fast as I possibly could, sight picture be damned. The GLOCK 30 Gen4 in the 45 Auto offers excellent out-of-the-box precision paired with the ballistic quality of this caliber. Good question. We dont leave our fallen or injured behind, many of our enemies do even today. Simply if you want to play in the Big Leagues you cant practice T-ball. Even if you have 17 rounds it wont last very long shooting at that rate.Thats why one must practice to hit what you aim at, by shooting slowly. These two differences aren't really that big of a deal. Springfield Armory Xdm Elite Pistol 9Mm Osp 4.5" Beretta Apx Carry A1 9Mm Optics Ready Jaxn920A1. By shooting slowly you get better at hitting what you aim at so as to instinctively shoot fast by just shooting at your normal slow pace faster, if that makes sense. I know the slide is slightly more narrow on the 30s compared to the 30 but the width of both guns is exactly the same according to the Glock specs and the other dimensions are the same. ), nope. The G30 weighs 23.81 oz. Not limited? Some dont issue at all. Mere possession of a banned gun or magazine is a crime unless the gun or mag was in-state prior to the AWB (and you better have some documentation to prove it). The first and possibly second shots are the ones that will count most, and in this regard, one should care enough to send the very best available option downrange. When I told Eddie at AFS that I was carrying the Mass-compliant 10-round 9mm G19 in the new holster, he freaked me right the f out. HEIGHT: 122 mm/4.80 in. Big fat slow moving bullet rules. You never know. I'm thinking about getting a sidearm for hunting in bear country. Im not saying this is the case with you, you just said a comment that I have heard all to often. I was told at great length why my LCR was worthless, my .38 Spl +P would all but bounce off the crack heat I might use them against, and how real men use a .45 ACP. Glock 19X (G19X) Crossover handgun featuring a compact slide with a full sized frame, built with no finger grooves, Glock Marksman Barrel, ambidextrous slide stop, and comes in coyote color. 1200 fps and 382 ft/lbs of energy. Meanwhile, its back to the range. This is the first one that uploaded and the others are on the way. Psa 5.7 Rock Pistol Optics Ready W/ Threaded Psa Dagger Compact 9Mm Pistol With Extreme Carry Rock Island 1911 Tactical 9Mm 5" 8Rd Pistol. The factory magazine from the Glock 21, with a capacity of 13 rounds, will function in the Glock 30. I suppose I'm thinking "better to shoot pairs and conserve ammo slightly." No Glocks since early Gen3 can be sold by an FFL in MA because Glock wont go through the BS to get the guns qualified. There are plenty of small guns chamber in .45ACP that are the same size as 9mm guns. No matter which Glock model you choose, these are great handguns and there is a plethora of aftermarket triggers, grips, night sights, springs, magazine releases and other parts to improve that performance even more. The 40S&W model weighs 26.8 oz (slightly more than the 9mm model). After perhaps tens of thousands of injuries and deaths, of soldiers with fouled, non-functioning weapons, did anyone see the light and correct those problems. I don't see much of a difference in terms of concealability. Prosecuted. If there is no capacity limit, the 9 may offer advantages such as higher capacity and quicker split times between shots depending on the shooter. ., Shoot both guns as fast as you can. Might not be MA compliant, but hey, you can buy two for what a FiveseveN costs. They are all better than not carrying a gun. No. Its complicated and none of us have the proper clearance to know for sure. Built for the Army Modular Handgun System competition. In states that ban assault magazines LMAO (stupid fkin term), the 45 would certainly be advantageous. Cheaper ammo = more practice time. The Glock 19 would be advantageous in states that allow for magazines above 10 rounds. I have no issues whatsoever with the decision. I only wish that the G30s grip extended further like the G19. Rest assured I do not consider spray and pray a suitable self-defense strategy. (and you better have some documentation to prove it). Glock G19 Gen4 vs Glock G30 Gen4 size comparison | Handgun Hero Glock G19 Gen4 vs Glock G30 Gen4 Glock G19 Gen4 Striker-Fired Compact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger Check Price vs Glock G30 Gen4 Striker-Fired Subcompact Pistol Chambered in 45 ACP Check Price Dimensions Details Capacity Dimensions Customary Metric Want to sell a firearm? Where is the accompanying boob pic? The video shows that the .45 was waaaaay more flippy than the nine, and yet your accuracy was the same. Must be his massively developed forearms! I figure with 10+1 rounds of 10mm,I have enough to deal with whatever comes up. Trigger Pull/Travel TRIGGER PULL: 2.5 kg/5.5 lbs. Buy custom GLOCK accessories and more on the Team GLOCK Store. The Glock 17 and the Glock 19 are very nearly identical, with the Glock 17 having a barrel about 1/2 inch longer and a grip about 1/2 inch longer than the Glock 19. Glock currently produces semi-automatic handguns chambered in seven different cartridges:9x19mm Parabellum (aka 9mm Luger),.357 SIG,.380 ACP,.40 S&W,10mm Auto,.45 ACP (aka .45 Auto), and.45 GAP. Of course, my back-up mags are only 10. GLOCK safety, reliability, and simple operation, all at an affordable price. Again, YMMV. I am the same way, but I always figured it was since I learned on and always shot 45s. I missed the paper with BOTH guns two times out of ten. satisfying. I dont know why. This video illustrates the dangers of the spray and pray philosophy. The Glock 19 has a 4-inch barrel, with an overall length of 7.36 inches. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The weight with an empty magazine is 23.63 oz. 10+1 rounds of DoubleTap 10mm. BARREL LENGTH: 96 mm/3.77 in. The U.S. Military was looking for a replacement cartridge and through prior experience and testing on cadavers and animal remains in the Chicago stockyards, resulting in a finding that the .45 was the most effective pistol caliber. It has something to do with their special plastic. The Glock 19 is a semi-automatic pistol designed and manufactured since 1988 by Glock for military and police forces. Robert do me a favor, he said. GLOCK 21. Will all your guns to me. Ive been experimenting with a Bladetech 5.11 retention holster for our T&E (Testing and Evaluation) Gen4 Glock 19. I called the rabbi. Glock 19: Caliber: 9x19mm Parabellum (9mm Luger) Magazine Capacity: 15 Length: 7.36 inches Width: 1.18 inches Height: 4.99 inches Barrel Length: 4.01 inches Barrel Height: 1.26 inches Weight (No Mag): 21 ounces Weight (Loaded): 29.6 ounces Sight Radius: 6.02 inches Trigger Pull Weight: 5.5 pounds Trigger Distance: 2.80 inches Twist: 1 in 9.84 inches Considering how fast I can shoot, I do run the risk of emptying my full-size mag faster than a body can fall down . Theres an exception for LEO sales, of course. The regs are consumer protection regulations. Utterly fascinating. I have a 30s and think I would prefer the 30sf because of the thicker slide. It's only roughly 3cm taller than the G26 (eyeing it not actually measured). FORGET IT!!! They may not have, I dont keep up with anything SEAL since 90% of what you will find is made up info from SEAL wannabes. The .45ACP was to provide a more modern cartridge that would stop a man, literally in his tracks, at a time when suicidal attackers proved that with determination, focus, and a few seconds, they were highly effective at killing officers, often in broad daylight. Now, if someone has an unrestricted class A LTC (license to carry), the licensed person can own, possess, shoot and transfer so-called high capacity weapons and feeding devices.. @Zealot I live in mass and these laws are dangerous because most people cant figure them out. The Gen4 G19 has a 4.02" barrel, an overall length of 7.28", a width at the frame of 1.26", and a height of 5.04" (including magazine). Too bad used GLOCKS in MA cost more than brand new ones elsewhere. The best defense is a good offense, and I'm really offensive. Light weight, easily carried, and on target. It has an ergonomic design and enough substance for easy handling, even for inexperienced shooters. The standard magazine holds 437,856 rounds, but theres also an extended capacity assault magazine available through the interwebs. A .38 caliber isnt a decisive fight stopper, and often requires multiple center mass hits to affect the attacker. As the Brits would say, it was six of one, half a dozen of the other. The G30 is actually the subcompact version of the .45 ACP . That way you are still practicing with the same gun. Note: all Glock handguns chambered in .45 GAP feature octagonal polygonal rifling in order to obtain a better gas seal with a larger bore. A transit officer in Houston hit an innocent bystander with a stray round in a justifiable DGU last year also. Anyway I have always been a gun swapper and got to love glocks in the last year at age 74. One upon a time, I was at the range doing some CCW practice with my Ruger LCR. I agree with all the above. When the magazine is inserted they are equal grip length. All Glock 9mm should be 19s. But the one thing that keeps me from getting (another) 30/30S is the grip, it still feels fat to me. Unloaded, it weighs 23.65 ounces but only goes up to 30 ounces once loaded. So nobody was prosecuted. Had 1911 and love them too. Heckler & Koch P30 vs Glock G19 Gen5 size comparison | Handgun Hero Heckler & Koch P30 vs Glock G19 Gen5 Heckler & Koch P30 DA/SA Full-Sized Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger, 40 S&W Check Price vs Glock G19 Gen5 Striker-Fired Compact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger Check Price Dimensions Details Capacity Dimensions Customary Metric Notes This might be misplaced appreciation because our M1911s were in very humble shape. Robert do me a favor, he said. Same when comparing SIGsIm faster and more accurate with the P229 than the P220. With a 1911, training for IDPA-type shooting, that is a major skill to learn: How fast does your barrel .as you hold it with your gun and your standard loadcome back on target? I havent shot a .45 in almost 25 years but when the USMC switched to 9mm I was much pleased by the improved accuracy. Call it a draw. And . This is especially true for handguns from different generations or those chambered in different calibers. If you practice a lot, you won't notice any recoil differences. Some of the measurables for the GLOCK 19 include: Trigger Pull- 5.5lbs Barrel Length- 4 inches Overall Length- 6.85 inches Width- 1.18 inches Weight- 20.99 ounces Fixed Sights Accessory Rail Models: GLOCK 19 and 19x The 19 is not only an exceptionally designed pistol but it is one of GLOCKs best selling guns. I too live in MA and agree about how absurd it all is. If you want to learn how to shoot fast, you have to practice shooting fast. Psa Dagger Compact 9Mm Pistol With Swr Rmr Eaa Girsan Mc28Sa 9Mm, 4.8" Barrel, Perry Red Smith And Wesson Performance Center M&P M2.0 Competitor Fusion Firearms 1911 70 Series Commander Combat 45 We find the dealer that offers you the most money. Likely 115gr 9mm, fast but little dwell inside the target because of it. There are 15 round and 10 round mags available-I carry interstate under HR218 and while HR218 credential holders are exempt from mag capacity andrestrictedammo laws Id as soon avoid problems with LEOs who havent received proper training. Which is still only ten rounds in Massachusetts. Another thing to consider as far as the 9 vs. 45 debate is that the 9mm is literally like the 357 magnum of its class compared with its 9mm predecessor variants. COPYRIGHT 2023, WOMG. As a GLOCK owner, we want to make sure you have all the tools to protect your GLOCK pistol, and get the most out of it. Virtually no recoil! True, but things my life depend on are not areas that I like to cut cost on. I must not be holding the thing right. 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